tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post8949184128085056770..comments2024-03-08T15:43:54.700+00:00Comments on Cruwys news: The BIG Y roll out – the SNP tsunami is on its way!Debbie Kennetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-48218152859698834892014-05-05T13:41:28.228+01:002014-05-05T13:41:28.228+01:00Jeepguy
The Big Y test is only for experienced us...Jeepguy<br /><br />The Big Y test is only for experienced users. A single Big Y test on its own is not going to be of any help for genealogical purposes at the present time. The Big Y test is a SNP discovery test to identify new subclades. The discovery process involves people sharing their results within haplogroup projects in order to identify new shared downstream SNPs.<br /><br />The list is a list of all the SNPs (markers) for which your cousin is positive. He is in the Z195 subclade which is a branch of the big P312 subclade. He should join the P312 and subclades project:<br /><br /><a href="https://www.familytreedna.com/public/atlantic-r1b1c/" rel="nofollow">https://www.familytreedna.com/public/atlantic-r1b1c/ </a><br /><br />The Big Y results might explain the longhand name you said he'd been given in a comment elsewhere. The database seems to be in the process of being recalculated so you might find that the names will change in the next day or so. Either way, the haplogroup project admins should be able to help you.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-10617788620235073502014-05-05T02:49:00.363+01:002014-05-05T02:49:00.363+01:00I did the Y-DNA 67 marker but now I am glad I didn...I did the Y-DNA 67 marker but now I am glad I didn't do the Big Y. That was pretty pricey just to get a bunch of numbers that don't mean anything to most novice users. We were expecting it to give you matches like the Y-DNA does. Jeepguy2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/05527086450830420777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-39505336638266270032014-05-05T02:46:16.145+01:002014-05-05T02:46:16.145+01:00My cousin took the Big Y test to supplement is Y-D...My cousin took the Big Y test to supplement is Y-DNA he did years ago. He got the results back but has no clue what all this data means and what to do with it. <br /><br />What the heck does all this mean?<br /><br /><br />CTS11985+, CTS12478+, CTS2664+, CTS3063+, CTS3358+, CTS3575+, CTS3654+, CTS4716+, CTS4244+, F1209+, F3692+, F719+, F82+, L104+, L11+, L132+, L138+, L141+, L15+, L150+, L151+, L16+, L407+, L468+, L470+, L482+, L483+, L498+, L500+, L502+, L506+, L51+, L52+, L585+, L747+, L752+, L754+, L761+, L768+, L773+, L779+, L82+, L23+, L265+, L278+, L350+, L389+, M168+, M173+, M207+, M213+, M235+, M269+, M294+, M299+, M306+, M343+, M365+, M74+, M89+, M9+, M94+, P108+, P128+, P131+, P132+, P133+, P134+, P135+, P136+, P138+, P139+, P14+, P140+, P141+, P143+, P145+, P146+, P148+, P149+, P151+, P157+, P158+, P159+, P160+, P161+, P163+, P166+, P187+, P207+, P224+, P225+, P226+, P228+, P229+, P230+, P231+, P232+, P233+, P234+, P235+, P236+, P237+, P238+, P239+, P242+, P243+, P244+, P245+, P280+, P281+, P282+, P283+, P284+, P285+, P286+, P294+, P295+, P297+, P305+, P310+, P311+, P312+, P316+, PF2591+, PF2608+, PF2611+, PF2615+, PF2747+, PF2748+, PF2749+, PF2770+, PF3561+, PF5869+, PF5871+, PF5882+, PF5886+, PF5888+, PF5953+, PF5956+, PF5957+, PF5964+, PF5965+, PF5982+, PF6246+, PF6249+, PF6250+, PF6263+, PF6270+, PF6271+, PF6272+, PF6409+, PF6425+, PF6430+, PF6432+, PF6434+, PF6438+, PF6463+, PF6494+, PF6495+, PF6498+, PF6500+, PF6506+, PF6507+, PF6509+, PF6524+, PK1+, SRY10831+, SRY2627+, P69+, P9+, P97+, PAGES00026+, PAGES00081+, PAGES00083+, V221+, V241+, V250+, Z177+, Z195+, Z199+, M415+, M42+, M45+, M526+, Z204+, F313+, Z269+, CTS10893-, F3198-, Z205-, Z207-, Z264-, Z266-, M65-, Z202-, Z203-, PF1023-, PF2462-, U152-, P66-, M37-, M222-, M228-, L4-, L96-, M126-, M153-, M160-, L163-, L165-, L193-, L196-, L20-, L21-, L226-, L144-, F1287-, F2536-, CTS4299-, CTS5284-, CTS606-, CTS7416-, CTS8234-, CTS9454-, CTS4015- Jeepguy2014https://www.blogger.com/profile/05527086450830420777noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-74792661943047661672014-04-03T20:56:40.944+01:002014-04-03T20:56:40.944+01:00Debbie, yes, what with all of the new SNP testing ...Debbie, yes, what with all of the new SNP testing standards now in use, including the variations in their labeling, the Internet rumor is that 2014 is going to be an unsettled, "shake-down" year. But all of that will eventually get settled. Doug Morrisonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15523164142681514943noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-67218307883234115482014-04-03T10:32:14.647+01:002014-04-03T10:32:14.647+01:00Doug, Good luck with your Big Y test. It's goi...Doug, Good luck with your Big Y test. It's going to take a while to interpret all these results and do the comparisons with the tests from all the other companies. There have already been lots of downstream M222 SNPs appearing on the Chromo 2 chip. It will be interesting to see how many of these can be replicated in the Big Y and how many new SNPs will be discovered. M222 really needs these SNPs because people can have large numbers of matches with the STRs.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-68976659490646501602014-04-03T09:35:31.230+01:002014-04-03T09:35:31.230+01:00Debbie,
You are right, that the more people who t...Debbie,<br /><br />You are right, that the more people who test then the more we as a group will learn. I belong to the L21+, M222+ project, but that project is loaded with speculation as to what group(s) of people it could represent and there are a number of dedicated and enthusiastic genetic volunteers who are trying to make sense of it. And so I took the Big Y test to help support their efforts (and I received those test results just the other day).<br /><br />Best,<br /><br />DougDoug Morrisonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-66410884317489044872014-03-25T11:20:57.273+00:002014-03-25T11:20:57.273+00:00Peter, Thanks for your feedback. I'm still wai...Peter, Thanks for your feedback. I'm still waiting for my dad's results. I think your investment will continue to grow over time. As with all DNA testing the value is in the comparison process and the more people who take the BIG Y/Full Genomes tests the more we will learn.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-6094013019776458142014-03-20T23:06:57.020+00:002014-03-20T23:06:57.020+00:00I have received my Big Y Results and am very glad ...I have received my Big Y Results and am very glad I signed up for the test. Prior to taking the Big Y, I knew that I was L1065. Results have immediately taken me 4 SNPs downstream of L1065. On top of this I have the Big Y has me positive with a high confidence for an additional 82 Novel (variant) SNPs. Once these novel/variant SNPs are compared with the results of others (which may take some time) much will be learned about my paternal linage.<br /><br />Although the Big Y had a rocky start this time around (remained of Big Y test results are scheduled to be completed prior to 28 March 2014) I am extremely satisfied with the product that FTDNA has created. <br /><br />Once all the novel/variant SNPs are sorted out, I believe that the Big Y will be the most beneficial genetic genealogy test on the market. From my personal experience with both my currently known results and the expected follow-on information that is expected, I highly recommend this product to anyone interested in their paternal ancestry. Well worth the investment.Peter MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03166118494652234649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-13069389430662994762014-03-12T14:03:16.090+00:002014-03-12T14:03:16.090+00:00PNG
I've written to FTDNA to see if they can ...PNG<br /><br />I've written to FTDNA to see if they can update their FAQs and provide a proper explanation for ancestral vs derived. In the meantime I found these links which I hope might be of help:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.isogg.org/course/glossary.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.isogg.org/course/glossary.htm</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/learn/faq-items/ancestral-state/" rel="nofollow">http://www.familytreedna.com/learn/faq-items/ancestral-state/</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.familytreedna.com/learn/faq-items/derived-state/" rel="nofollow">http://www.familytreedna.com/learn/faq-items/derived-state/</a>Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-10863349029762014832014-03-12T07:17:04.035+00:002014-03-12T07:17:04.035+00:00Debbie, I had an exchange with Charles Moore the o...Debbie, I had an exchange with Charles Moore the other day in which he said (in essence) that "ancestral SNPs" are SNPs that you do have but they occurred upstream, before the clade defining SNP of your group, e.g. if you are U106 any SNP on the line leading to U106, like M269, is an ancestral SNP. You said an ancestral SNP is one that you don't have. You two are using the term "ancestral SNP" in contradictory ways. I've been reading genetics papers for decades - I was a biochemist. Geneticists talk about ancestral sequence or derived sequence. I realize genetic genealogy is its own culture with its own language, and I can figure out what is meant, but it seems like it would help the newbies if terms were used in a consistent way. PNGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152649124164862094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-51862790569365381812014-03-10T15:44:19.920+00:002014-03-10T15:44:19.920+00:00PNG, I didn't come up with the terminology and...PNG, I didn't come up with the terminology and we're stuck with what we have, even though it is very confusing. The ancestral state is the original state before any mutations occur. We say that someone is "positive" for a mutation which defines a new branch. If you're negative it means you have the ancestral state (ie, no mutation, hence the negative status).Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-21538709251089283382014-03-10T15:02:17.010+00:002014-03-10T15:02:17.010+00:00Debbie, I can't see how saying that SNPs you d...Debbie, I can't see how saying that SNPs you don't have are "ancestral" makes any sense. If you are negative for a SNP, it didn't occur in your ancestry. Your sequence at that point is the ancestral sequence, but calling a negative result an "ancestral SNP" seems like a recipe for confusion.PNGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10152649124164862094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-73760383612986705682014-03-07T02:38:53.406+00:002014-03-07T02:38:53.406+00:00Waiting on Big Y. Email from helpdesk claimed the ...Waiting on Big Y. Email from helpdesk claimed the Feb 28 delay was a last minute event yet the Feb 27 webinar shows they knew the Dec tests were not going to be ready for the Feb 28. Think we deserve honesty from FTDNA. Saw the apology letter where he downplays the long history of delays because the company likes to shoot for unrealistic target dates.James Knoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-63570160049898477322014-03-06T16:36:27.434+00:002014-03-06T16:36:27.434+00:00Thank you Peter for the update from FTDNA.Thank you Peter for the update from FTDNA.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-17059655012736331672014-03-06T00:18:57.198+00:002014-03-06T00:18:57.198+00:00Hello everyone,
Just wanted to comment on my 5 Ma...Hello everyone,<br /><br />Just wanted to comment on my 5 March 2014 post, I have had some questions asked regarding it, which has made me realize that I did clearly articulate the situation. I had been waiting for a response to some questions I posed on the FTDNA Forum a few days prior, however I had contacted the FTDNA Customer Service email just prior to adding comments to this Blog.<br /><br />On a positive note the FTDNA Customer Service representative responded to my email in a very timely manner, in which it was confirmed that FTDNA does indeed have all the materials (including reagents) in their possession required to test the remainder of the Big Y customers. As well, FTDNA are expecting to be releasing a more detailed timeline for the remaining Big Y Test results releases shortly.Peter MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03166118494652234649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-26805037403800268842014-03-05T17:48:38.610+00:002014-03-05T17:48:38.610+00:00PL, "Howard", "Big Fools Day",...PL, "Howard", "Big Fools Day", and "ISOGG Admin" appear to be one and the same person posting under different pseudonyms. If you wish to comment on this blog please post in your own name.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-64262177226846549822014-03-05T16:22:34.879+00:002014-03-05T16:22:34.879+00:00Well, as a conclusion we can say that you claim I ...Well, as a conclusion we can say that you claim I fabricate information or trust in conspiracy theories and when I offer you fact (which is also very easy verified) you are not interested? I think that is the perfect description of someone living in denial. Look the word up: denialPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-74013279975305877132014-03-05T16:10:13.424+00:002014-03-05T16:10:13.424+00:00Funny that you moderated Howards comment away, tha...Funny that you moderated Howards comment away, that was one of the best statements here, summarizing the situation. I mean, that moderation style is kind of like imitating the moderation taking place on FTDNA forum, the posts that make best sense is moderated away, welcome to the brave new worldPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-62573133049873587732014-03-05T15:58:19.896+00:002014-03-05T15:58:19.896+00:00PL, I have not got time to get drawn into a prolon...PL, I have not got time to get drawn into a prolonged debate, and this will be my last response on the subject. As far as I'm concerned all the questions that I've asked have been answered to my satisfaction. It would be much better if you would just let FTDNA get on with the task of rolling out the BIG Y results rather than wasting their time asking the same questions over and over again that they've already answered.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-14913856949435617262014-03-05T10:54:29.756+00:002014-03-05T10:54:29.756+00:00Debbie, FTDNA might be answering questions, but no...Debbie, FTDNA might be answering questions, but not my questions. I can assure you it is not a theory, it is a fact, FTDNA does not answer the questions. I established a mail conversation communication with David Mittelman yesterday and asked him my questions. I got two e-mails from him but no answers for my simple questions. He put energy in writing other irrelevant things instead. I am not surprised. Is that a conspiracy theory also? I can forward the emails to you if you dont beleive me :)PLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-12497135626607805672014-03-05T10:27:54.578+00:002014-03-05T10:27:54.578+00:00PL, FTDNA are answering questions but you do not b...PL, FTDNA <i>are</i> answering questions but you do not believe the answers. That is what I mean by your conspiracy theories. As I've said before it is not my place to get involved with your personal problems on the FTDNA Forums.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-15250649415371475182014-03-05T08:55:50.409+00:002014-03-05T08:55:50.409+00:00I am not shooting the messanger. I am not question...I am not shooting the messanger. I am not questioning her, she is questioning me (for a reason I can't figure out?) Read the comments again. I am sure every customer knows what I am talking about and I think Debbies article (and comments here) is biased. I have no clue as to why Deddie pretends she have no clue what I am talking about. From where I come from the normal behaviour is to take customers threated bad by companies in defence, perhaps that is not the normal behaviour where Deddie lives. Of course I question her when she for no reason question everything I write, but shooting the messenger is an exaggeration in my opinion. It would be more fair if Deddie just accepted that there are issues with FTDNA and the BigY sale, instead of living in denial. If one wants to live in denial, that is okay, but please stop question people (like me) who sees the truth and dare to speak about it in the public. If you live in denial, do it silent.PLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-20865889557978249122014-03-05T07:54:54.997+00:002014-03-05T07:54:54.997+00:00What is it with people who love to shoot the "...What is it with people who love to shoot the "messenger"? Debbie is a volunteer (who spends untold hours for no recompense - like so many of us) who adores genetic genealogy and what it can do, and in my opinion, she is merely passing on the information she knows. THANK her, not quibble with her over something for which she has no control over!<br /><br />If your beef is with FTDNA, then sit on their "doorstep", please and let us know of the findings of which you learn. After all, we all know when we are the first to try out anything totally new, there are bound to be "teething"problems! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07821239869190229840noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-21191800447949573362014-03-05T04:31:13.847+00:002014-03-05T04:31:13.847+00:00Debbie, what are you claiming to be a conspiracy t...Debbie, what are you claiming to be a conspiracy theory? FTDNA not answering questions is a fact, FTDNA threating to ban you when you ask for details in their forum is a fact, FTDNA not updating their customers is a fact and so on. Everything is easily verifiable, I am not sure if you dont, or dont want to understand. It seems like the latter is the truthPLnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-39463949605719170632014-03-05T01:35:25.488+00:002014-03-05T01:35:25.488+00:00I am a Big Y Test customer who has not yet receive...I am a Big Y Test customer who has not yet received his test results. I have asked the questions below on the FTDNA Forum but have not seen any reply, as well I am waiting for the Customer Service Desk to provide answered for the following two questions:<br /><br />1. Does FTDNA have the materials (including the reagent that caused the delay) in its possession required to complete all Big Y Tests by 28 March 2014?<br /><br />2. To my understanding there has only been a general date of 28 March 2014, in which FTDNA expects all Big Y Tests to be completed. Will FTDNA be sending out a more detailed list of when tests will be processed?Peter MacDonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03166118494652234649noreply@blogger.com