tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post4157262902081387911..comments2024-03-08T15:43:54.700+00:00Comments on Cruwys news: Driving in the wrong direction with a dodgy DNA satnavDebbie Kennetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-2641173717744320282015-03-12T13:53:09.902+00:002015-03-12T13:53:09.902+00:00Dear STJones
If you're not happy with the res...Dear STJones<br /><br />If you're not happy with the results have you tried getting a refund? I know some people who paid via Paypal were successful.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-46437126568094433822015-03-11T10:45:26.683+00:002015-03-11T10:45:26.683+00:00I got suckered into the "Super Test". My...I got suckered into the "Super Test". My ancestors came from somewhere in the North Sea. they must have lived in a boat.STJoneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00854944847165695979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-46092003373566495622014-11-23T03:31:49.721+00:002014-11-23T03:31:49.721+00:00I am Sicilian and my result with Super Test came o...I am Sicilian and my result with Super Test came out as Saudi! Then I e-mailed the admin and they re-did it and it came out Lebanese Batroun Christian... loolSicilianu101https://www.blogger.com/profile/17343720413745608729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-32892523808460282532014-07-27T13:51:37.703+01:002014-07-27T13:51:37.703+01:00SCAM! If you read the faqs, sneakily written is th...SCAM! If you read the faqs, sneakily written is that if you have parents from 2 different countries, your GPS coordinates will be put in between these 2 countries. Its so random! Like myself, my father is Croatian and mother is Spanish. This stupid service put my origins in Italy.. Well thanks for the useless info!!! And for sh*ts and giggles I also paid for the super to get my dads GPS and they put him in Luxembourg! WOW!!!<br /><br />Fact of the matter is that it may be useful to those of non mixed origins. But now a days peoples of different nations and ethnicities are getting married and having children. And to those of mixed ethnicities this test is THE BIGGEST WASTE OF MONEY EVER!!!! Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07274497132034762824noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-51431926716355222972014-06-29T16:32:12.824+01:002014-06-29T16:32:12.824+01:00Rik
We'll have to wait and see what the concl...Rik<br /><br />We'll have to wait and see what the conclusions of the paper are. With DNA testing one DNA result doesn't tell you very much. With POBI the focus will be at the population level not on individual ancestry. You get most out of a test if you go into a genealogical matching database so that you can compare results with your genetic cousins. Who have you tested with? FTDNA or 23andMe?Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-75539421157580525682014-06-29T00:11:28.581+01:002014-06-29T00:11:28.581+01:00Thank you Debbie, I thought it was that. At the ti...Thank you Debbie, I thought it was that. At the time (of the early period)only two of us came forward in the local area. The other gentleman got so sick of waiting for the study he didn't take part in the face, hands, taste tests. He believes his family goes back to the Normans in the area. His family has owned a number of local estates and farms so maybe they did? Whether this will show up who knows? My family are humble farmers but we don't look very English or what other people consider English around here. It was pointless my cousins taking the test as their mother was from Eire so two Grand Parents didn't fit the studies requirements. I'm awaiting results from a US company so we will see if they agree with the other ones I've taken. Thanks again for your blog and great pointers, :) Rik.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-39819184974045398312014-06-28T22:04:58.469+01:002014-06-28T22:04:58.469+01:00Ysearch can sometimes be a bit temperamental but i...Ysearch can sometimes be a bit temperamental but it's worth persisting.<br /><br />I did indeed mean to say four grandparents all born in the same county not country! Sorry about that.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-38363584626357351142014-06-16T18:28:47.994+01:002014-06-16T18:28:47.994+01:00Thanks again Debbie,
Really useful information.Th...Thanks again Debbie,<br /><br />Really useful information.The does seem to be some naughty labs out there.<br /><br />Just two things one the ySearch site doesn't seem to be allowing new entries. I tried to up load what I have in data and it kept coming up with a 500 error page :( I was rather down after entering all the figures after conversions to different lads classifications :(<br /><br />The second minor thing "It was not an easy matter finding people with four grandparents all born in the same country." did you mean to say country or county?<br /><br />I hadn't realised it was that rare to not have Grandparents all 4 Grandparents with a 50 mile radius? Britain is a small island after all.<br /><br />Either way thank you again :)<br /><br />locallad410@hotmail.co.ukAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-71380418412564383942014-06-16T12:56:46.765+01:002014-06-16T12:56:46.765+01:00It did take a long time for POBI to collect all th...It did take a long time for POBI to collect all those samples. It was not an easy matter finding people with four grandparents all born in the same country. It can take a very long time from completing each phase of the research and getting a paper published, especially when there are a lot of people involved. I've been to a number of talks about the POBI project and I can assure you that the paper will be worth the wait, and the maps are stunning. However, they've still only analysed the autosomal DNA data. The Y-DNA is being analysed by Professor Mark Jobling at the University of Leicester, and I presume that will be the subject of a separate publication.<br /><br />I'm afraid you did rather waste your money testing at Oxford Ancestors. They charge a small fortune but only test a handful of markers, and there's not a lot you can do with your results though you can upload your Y-DNA results to <a href="http://www.ysearch.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ysearch.org</a> and your mtDNA results to <a href="http://www.mitosearch.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.mitosearch.org</a><br /><br />It's probably not worth getting your mtDNA tested for now, but if you were going to take another test it would be worth taking a standard 37-marker test at Family Tree DNA. They are an American company but they have a massive international database and have more British people in their database than any other company. Within the Guild of One-Name Studies we use FTDNA for all our surname projects. Testing with FTDNA would give you matches in their database. You could join a surname project if there is one for your surname as well as the relevant haplogroup project. There are projects for all the different branches of haplogroup I (Woden). If you did want to retest at FTDNA you can use this form to get a discount by using your Oxford Ancestors results: <br /><br /><a href="https://www.familytreedna.com/PDF/PROMO_GAP.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.familytreedna.com/PDF/PROMO_GAP.pdf</a><br /><br />The 37-marker test would cost you $119 using this form which works out at about £70. Postage is just $7.<br /><br />The YorkshiresDNA/BritainsDNA test is just a deep ancestry test and only gives you a haplogroup assignment. The value of doing a DNA test comes from participating in a matching database and joining projects which you can't do at BritainsDNA.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-1941043182926784632014-06-15T16:03:09.930+01:002014-06-15T16:03:09.930+01:00PS sorry for the typos, clearly spelling isn't...PS sorry for the typos, clearly spelling isn't a strong point in my family genes ;)<br /><br />Thanks again :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-80846728638766057052014-06-15T15:54:12.476+01:002014-06-15T15:54:12.476+01:00People of the British Isles was a rum goings on.I ...People of the British Isles was a rum goings on.I wish they would hurry up they have put it off 5 times now. Only the first already late stage 1 report came out the other year. I give my blood sample back in 2005.I only got a chance to give my body measurements last year i.e. hands and face scans plus taste test. They weren't very helpful either. The mobile research team acted as if they weren't really bothered. I went out of my way to get there to complete the data. Strangest carryon's I've experienced. If you were part of the survey and asked when the report was to be published you were told Sept. every year when you contacted them. Its was like dealing with an answer phone.Nearly 10 years for less than 5,000 samples. Very strange. You have to sign an agreement that they can keep your blood samples so the Welcome Trust can use them for medical research maybe that's where most of their time was taken up?<br /><br />I've already taken one of the most expensive UK tests with Prof Sykes's Oxford Ancestors lab which sadly is one of the least informative tests. It pretty much told me what I expected.The Y test was -(I) "Woden" on my male line side and mDNA 311 (16311)"Helena"H25on female line. Which would pretty much fit with Yorkshire I believe if our local history is correct) but not much inform for the price though. Only 15 Y makers were most companies offer 20 plus for the basic test) Two pretty info packs with little hard data in them and his early classifications of the braches of the "Adam and Eve" European tree. They aren't of cause followed by anyone one else so require cross referencing with internal tree listings which the majority of science accept. <br /><br />I had thought about Yorkshire DNA (British/Scottish DNA in other names for a test with more markers) but having read on here and elsewhere online about the company I'm none too keen on wasting more money.<br /><br />Its a big shame that people can't get there acts together but science like so many other aspects of life have human faults which can get in the way of facts :( <br /><br />Anyway thanks again for your blog and your information on the current companies out there and studies. <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-21843484514870193112014-06-15T13:52:08.388+01:002014-06-15T13:52:08.388+01:00I'm pleased to hear that you were able to get ...I'm pleased to hear that you were able to get your money back. It's interesting that Prosapia Genetics are not processing orders from the UK.<br /><br />I think it's a shame that the People of the British Isles Project is not returning results to the testers. However, it is a very exciting project and I look forward to seeing their landmark paper which I understand is due to be published very soon.<br /><br />If you want to learn more through DNA testing you might want to take a genetic genealogy test. There are lots of resources in the ISOGG Wiki where you can find further information:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.isogg.org/wiki" rel="nofollow">http://www.isogg.org/wiki</a><br /><br />You might in particular like to read some of the articles in the section on beginners' guides:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guides_to_genetic_genealogy" rel="nofollow">http://www.isogg.org/wiki/Beginners%27_guides_to_genetic_genealogy</a><br /><br />There are now lots of different haplogroup projects as well as geographical projects for different counties within the British Isles. I run a project at Family Tree DNA for the county of Devon.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-48408271312518229112014-06-14T23:54:42.824+01:002014-06-14T23:54:42.824+01:00I had my money returned through paypal without any...I had my money returned through paypal without any they said they couldn't process samples from the UK. I found this rather strange. Thank you for your information and updates I'll be trying the free services. Being part of the Peoples of the British Isles study I wanted to fill in those gaps that the study doesn't give you because of its no individual results policy. Thanks once again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-36722082898771112402014-05-12T13:11:19.412+01:002014-05-12T13:11:19.412+01:00Ian
Thanks for letting us know. Do let us know ho...Ian<br /><br />Thanks for letting us know. Do let us know how you get on. With the BBC there is a specific procedure you have to follow for complaints. You can find the form here:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/complain-online/</a><br /><br />You only get to appeal to the BBC Trust if your complaint has not been dealt with satisfactorily at the earlier stages. Stage 1 and Stage 2 are handled by the production team responsible for the programme. The next stage is the Editorial Complaints Unit. Once you've had a response from the ECU and if you are still not satisfied you can take the matter up with the BBC Trust.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-7427021706122776712014-05-12T12:46:58.224+01:002014-05-12T12:46:58.224+01:00Dear Debbie and Brian,
I shall also be passing my...Dear Debbie and Brian,<br /><br />I shall also be passing my comments on to Ofcom and copying in the BBC, the BBC Trust and Sheffield University.<br /><br />I was excited with this when they covered it on BBC a few weeks back and told the rest of my family. Now I feel like an idiot.<br /><br />Will let you know how I get onIannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-67873996975592211732014-05-12T11:21:52.898+01:002014-05-12T11:21:52.898+01:00Brian
Thanks for writing to the BBC. Do let me kn...Brian<br /><br />Thanks for writing to the BBC. Do let me know how you get on. The BBC will only deal with the specifics of the content of individual programmes. Hopefully the more people who complain the more the message will get through that they need to get second opinions from independent experts, and especially so when there are commercial interests involved.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-41369622757940008512014-05-12T11:18:15.496+01:002014-05-12T11:18:15.496+01:00Dear Anonymous
If you feel you've wasted your...Dear Anonymous<br /><br />If you feel you've wasted your money on the Prosapia test you should be able to get a refund. A number of people who've paid via PayPal have been able to get a refund through PayPal after expressing their dissatisfaction with the service.Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-41199221410199260622014-05-12T09:59:56.352+01:002014-05-12T09:59:56.352+01:00Debbie - I have just complained to the BBC officia...Debbie - I have just complained to the BBC officially as well. Let's hope that somehow we can get the message through to whatever level at the BBC to talk to ISOGG on these things in future. There will be a lot of folk with contacts at the BBC trying to muscle in on this action over the years ahead.Brian Swannhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15183639886324839008noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-19142828820248997502014-05-12T03:33:32.422+01:002014-05-12T03:33:32.422+01:00I wish I had read this before wasting $43. Accord...I wish I had read this before wasting $43. According to Prosapia my ancestral village is in the middle of the North Sea!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-85179207651432330922014-05-10T22:41:39.245+01:002014-05-10T22:41:39.245+01:00THE fundamental flaw is conceptual: Assuming that ...THE fundamental flaw is conceptual: Assuming that ANY single point can represent the origins of multiple ancestors. This could be true ONLY if all ancestors shared the same point of origin. <br />-rt_/)-rt_/)https://www.blogger.com/profile/00636339268380858744noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-85293342079515848122014-05-10T12:04:15.289+01:002014-05-10T12:04:15.289+01:00Thanks for letting us know about the moderation on...Thanks for letting us know about the moderation on the Prosapia Forum. For information about the different types of DNA test available check out the information in the ISOGG Wiki:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.isogg.org/wiki/" rel="nofollow">http://www.isogg.org/wiki/</a>Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-77796928133926905322014-05-10T07:51:45.268+01:002014-05-10T07:51:45.268+01:00They have now removed complaints and negative comm...They have now removed complaints and negative comments from their forum and started to moderate input.<br /><br />I myself have not had an email returned in over a week.<br /><br />So I've cancelled my membership and will look elsewhere.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />IanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-40574851882780006802014-05-09T13:14:59.902+01:002014-05-09T13:14:59.902+01:00Greg
Thanks for the link to the free version of t...Greg<br /><br />Thanks for the link to the free version of the authors' tool.<br /><br />I think your copying and pasting went wrong with the Eurogenes K9 calculator as you repeated the link to the GPS tool. I know that David Wesolowski of Eurogenes has made his tools freely available on GedMatch:<br /><br /><a href="http://bga101.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/eurogenes-admixture-utilities-at.html" rel="nofollow">http://bga101.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/eurogenes-admixture-utilities-at.html</a><br /><br />Is the K9 calculator available as a free download so that you can use it even if you don't upload your results to Gedmatch?Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-84141742966496332722014-05-09T13:02:37.299+01:002014-05-09T13:02:37.299+01:00Ed, North and West are included in the reports fro...Ed, North and West are included in the reports from Prosapia Genetics but they only appear on the map and not in the text of the report. See Teresa Vega's report that is linked in my blog post. I've repeated the link here for convenience:<br /><br /><a href="http://prosapiagenetics.com/results.php?order=613RF45lb1362" rel="nofollow">http://prosapiagenetics.com/results.php?order=613RF45lb1362</a>Debbie Kennetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11573470282571579765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7238849140976286627.post-60424379042096876252014-05-08T15:11:44.767+01:002014-05-08T15:11:44.767+01:00Purely for interests sake... you can also find a ...Purely for interests sake... you can also find a free version of their calculator (using 10 reference populations at: http://chcb.saban-chla.usc.edu/gps/calculator.php<br /><br />This is the site of the co-author. <br /><br />You can obtain the appropriate Admixture percentages by running your 23andme or FTDNA kit through the Eurogenes K9b calculator at http://chcb.saban-chla.usc.edu/gps/calculator.php<br /><br />All of this is free to do and at least lets you see what their system tries to suggest without paying for the privilege. Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10496677891727781782noreply@blogger.com